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Post by AKC_Pluto on Oct 3, 2008 0:16:21 GMT 2
Let's discuss.
Are we in favor of killing thousands of babies?
Or are we in favor of banning abortions?
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Post by s2 on Oct 3, 2008 5:18:52 GMT 2
if it was a mistake like a condom breaking, then it should be ok..
btw hug3 why are you an admin here?
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Post by AKC_Pico on Oct 3, 2008 12:15:59 GMT 2
He was a temp admin to help out with the forums S2
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Post by L on Oct 3, 2008 12:39:36 GMT 2
if it was a mistake like a condom breaking, then it should be ok.. Thats something you cannot prove or disprove though... meaning, people could just go into the doctor and say that they used a condom when they actually did not. I am personally against killing babies. I dont understand why people think it is an "ok" thing to do. Perhaps we should keep track of how many babies people have and limit them based on their family income by fixing them. This is probably a good idea since most families that have lots of babies are poor and only do it for $$$ from the government. I think a system like this is used in Japan but they do not base it uppon family income. Instead, they just limit it to a maximum of two babies per family.
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Post by s2 on Oct 3, 2008 13:30:44 GMT 2
but a lot of births are mistakes..and say if you give the baby up it may not get adopted so i dunno
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Post by L on Oct 3, 2008 19:11:03 GMT 2
like i said, after having so many babies they should get their tubes tied or their balls chopped off
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Post by AKC_Pluto on Oct 3, 2008 20:42:40 GMT 2
I told Pico before he gave me admin rights that I wasn't interested in being a staff member of a site that belongs to another clan. As far as I am concerned, I am a humble guest that's enjoying the privilege of taking part in these discussions. Enough off-topic gibberish.... on to the actual debate: Firstly, let me establish two facts. One, having a baby isn't a mistake. If someone hasn't figured out that intercourse = having a baby, then they haven't been properly educated, and shouldn't be trying something they don't know about in the first place. As far as condom's breaking, rape, and these other excuses, are they "good enough" for murder? Would you kill a baby over a rape? Two, people shouldn't be having sex in the first place before marriage. Why? Because God said so. Here's a Biblical verse: Just a random fact - cleave-age? That's where the word came from. Anyways, my point here is that a higher authority established marriage here in this verse, and there is no way you can twist the wording to justify pre-martial relations. In fact, this the main reason for my purity / virginity vow. Just for the record, my secondary reason is that I'm disinterested in becoming another abortion stat. Moving on: Sure, people could lie over the condom thing. Who would want a plastic relationship anyways? I think that people COULD plan better. Whatever happened to having a budget? And as for those people who have babies just to get cash from the government ... well, that's sad. Here's a LINK for some stats. If this is accurate, then 3700 babies die a DAY in the US. Based on the page's income stat numbers, here's the income demographic for daily abortions: 15k or less - 1062 15k-30k - 721 30k or less - 178330k-60k - 1406 60k+ - 511 30k+ - 1917My point is that there are more 30k+ abortions than 30k- abortions. In other words, richer ladies are having more abortions than poor ones. The difference there is that Japan is a smaller country, and I think they're trying to make sure everyone doesn't have to live in cramped apartments due to over-population. Not to mention food rations - ie maybe they have limited farm land, and they don't have money to import food. Couple more stats from the link above...US-only: 64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25 Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).
Sad stuff, isn't it?
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Post by s2 on Oct 3, 2008 21:34:58 GMT 2
but still man: - intercourse - protection = baby - intercourse + condom = safety/protection but made defects like breaking of the condom.
and still killing a baby he really has been born till he comes out of the mothers womb
everyone has their own opinions anyways..
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Post by AKC_Pluto on Oct 3, 2008 22:08:50 GMT 2
In other words, you think that a baby isn't truly a "person" until he/she comes out of the womb? I beg to differ. As far as I'm concerned, it's more than a fetus or a vegetable at the moment of conception. According to this, the baby's heart begins to beat at the 5-week point. In other words, blood is flowing. Anyways, please look through this page. That's basically a good page to summarize my pro-life position, LOL
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Post by Saint_Crusader on Oct 4, 2008 0:07:01 GMT 2
I am a supporter of Pro-Choice. You can break it down and call it the murder of babies, but that wouldn't be accurate. I have studied this topic hard and through and here is my oppinion.
There is many beliefs put into "WHEN" is a baby called a baby. Some people bring religion into it and say that it is from conception, but the truth of the matter is that there are laws over abortion. You can only get an abortion during the first tri-mester because the babies brain isnt developed. Even when a baby is born, it's brain is too early developed to process anything.
If you are worried over killing what "COULD" of been, then I would suggest saving your sperm cells as well because that is your case. The thing hasnt grown to self realization and like S2 said, sometimes it is the bad accidents of the young adult or immature students. Whole lives can change during one faitful day and if you are telling me that we are going to choose from "WHAT COULDA" been to "WHAT IS NOW," I pick the later because I know people that have had their whole lives change over a baby. Ofcourse they are at fault for their irresponsibility, but I will not hold that against them. If we bring religion into this, Children born before marriage are called "BASTARDS" and I think it is the parents right to decide from when and now.
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Post by s2 on Oct 4, 2008 1:59:14 GMT 2
yes. perfectly said.
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Post by L on Oct 4, 2008 16:58:43 GMT 2
I have controversial topics... I still say we should neuter them
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